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	<description>The Strange Science of Immortality</description>
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		<title>By: R C Levine</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>R C Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Weiner, 

Let&#039;s zoom out a bit. At the scale of humankind as a species/ the collective population and not the individual, we evolve through generations. We live on through generations, through our disciples and our children.

I believe the only way to achieve immortality is through evolution of our species, and through the knowledge we are able to pass down. Have you traveled outside at all lately? The alarming rate at which we are destroying our environment for quick profit is growing exponentially. We are pumping toxic and cancerous chemicals underground, contaminating sources of fresh drinking water throughout the country; we are poisoning the food we eat.  

The first definition of &quot;Aging&quot; in my dictionary is &quot;the process of growing old.&quot; The second is: &quot;The process of change in the properties of a material occurring over a period, either spontaneously or through deliberate action.&quot; If we look at our cumulative impacts and influences as a species, we are degrading the environments in which we are living-- environments that determine what air we breathe and water we drink-- how healthy we are, and thus, how long we (individually) will live. If we continue on this path, we will indefinitely alter the properties of our natural environment-- contaminated with toxins that will far outlive any of us. 
   
Your time would be much better spent investigating how to sustain our natural environment, before it can no longer sustain human life on this planet as we know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Weiner, </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s zoom out a bit. At the scale of humankind as a species/ the collective population and not the individual, we evolve through generations. We live on through generations, through our disciples and our children.</p>
<p>I believe the only way to achieve immortality is through evolution of our species, and through the knowledge we are able to pass down. Have you traveled outside at all lately? The alarming rate at which we are destroying our environment for quick profit is growing exponentially. We are pumping toxic and cancerous chemicals underground, contaminating sources of fresh drinking water throughout the country; we are poisoning the food we eat.  </p>
<p>The first definition of &#8220;Aging&#8221; in my dictionary is &#8220;the process of growing old.&#8221; The second is: &#8220;The process of change in the properties of a material occurring over a period, either spontaneously or through deliberate action.&#8221; If we look at our cumulative impacts and influences as a species, we are degrading the environments in which we are living&#8211; environments that determine what air we breathe and water we drink&#8211; how healthy we are, and thus, how long we (individually) will live. If we continue on this path, we will indefinitely alter the properties of our natural environment&#8211; contaminated with toxins that will far outlive any of us. </p>
<p>Your time would be much better spent investigating how to sustain our natural environment, before it can no longer sustain human life on this planet as we know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Caio Marsili</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Caio Marsili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to live forever. i have been researching on biotech companies to invest that are focusing in finding a cure for this old disease. Yes, I see aging as a disease, and it technically classifies as one according to the rules.  But leaving forever will depend on each individual personality.  There is so much to see, so many things to be discovered, a whole universe out there to be explored. Why would I want to live a short live and not be part of that! And the whole thing about overpopulation is unfounded.  The sole purpose of procreation is to promote genetic variation and to allow humanity to evolve via the same concept. basically you don&#039;t do it because kids are cute, but because unconsciously, we&#039;ve been designed  as such.  But technology will change that.  We won&#039;t need to have kids as often as we will be able to evolve ourselves via other means and since we won&#039;t procreate as much over population will not be a problem.  And as technology allows there is plenty of space in the universe for colonies and expansion of the human kind. But I can&#039;t wait to be able to break free from this old horrible disease and be able to take control of my own destiny, not just a tool for evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to live forever. i have been researching on biotech companies to invest that are focusing in finding a cure for this old disease. Yes, I see aging as a disease, and it technically classifies as one according to the rules.  But leaving forever will depend on each individual personality.  There is so much to see, so many things to be discovered, a whole universe out there to be explored. Why would I want to live a short live and not be part of that! And the whole thing about overpopulation is unfounded.  The sole purpose of procreation is to promote genetic variation and to allow humanity to evolve via the same concept. basically you don&#8217;t do it because kids are cute, but because unconsciously, we&#8217;ve been designed  as such.  But technology will change that.  We won&#8217;t need to have kids as often as we will be able to evolve ourselves via other means and since we won&#8217;t procreate as much over population will not be a problem.  And as technology allows there is plenty of space in the universe for colonies and expansion of the human kind. But I can&#8217;t wait to be able to break free from this old horrible disease and be able to take control of my own destiny, not just a tool for evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: pain87</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>pain87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to people say overpopulation well i think there would be more minds helping to create solutions like living on different planets then people say about life getting boaring well i think there would be so much you could see and live for that it would be wurth it it&#039;s not like you could&#039;t die a builet to the brain will kill you me i would like to go out with a bang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to people say overpopulation well i think there would be more minds helping to create solutions like living on different planets then people say about life getting boaring well i think there would be so much you could see and live for that it would be wurth it it&#8217;s not like you could&#8217;t die a builet to the brain will kill you me i would like to go out with a bang</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Thompson</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the back yard tonight, just a few minutes before nine o&#039;clock with plenty of light still in the sky, I decided that I might eventually make peace with winter if I were to live for a few hundred years. Until then, on those dark, rainy days, I&#039;m doomed to dread the warmer (or at least milder), outdoor day that I missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the back yard tonight, just a few minutes before nine o&#8217;clock with plenty of light still in the sky, I decided that I might eventually make peace with winter if I were to live for a few hundred years. Until then, on those dark, rainy days, I&#8217;m doomed to dread the warmer (or at least milder), outdoor day that I missed.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Shane Tutwiler</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Shane Tutwiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an interesting question!  Like many of the posters before me have stated, there are obvious pros and cons to living for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.  I won&#039;t re-state them, but I&#039;d like to add a few more.

Firstly, the medical technologies that enable this extended life-span will likely be expensive at first.  This will lead to a technology gap between those who can afford the &quot;rejuvenation services&quot;, and those who cannot (as mentioned by an earlier poster). Here&#039;s the rub, though: With the wealthy able to live longer, they&#039;ll have to work longer (indefinitely in some cases) to support themselves.  This will further stratify economies and resources.

In the long-run, these rejuvenation services won&#039;t ever be able to account for or prevent traumatic causes of death.  How will we insure health and life policies if there is a 100% chance that everyone will die of completely random accidents (or via murder or suicide), making it near impossible to use actuarial distributions?  

Finally, and a bit more abstractly, what if there are biological &quot;states&quot; that the SENS theory does or can not account for?  Complex systems, such as reproductive lifeforms, tend to be ergodic...but some of the possible, but very improbable, states are unknowable with small (or short time-frame) samples.  In other words, there may be ways for cells to &quot;age&quot; or &quot;die&quot; that are only knowable in ultra-extreme lifespan scenarios. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if, despite the best efforts of lifespan researchers, life eventually finds a way to extinguish itself and return our natural resources (the atoms of which we are composed) to the larger ecosystem of the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an interesting question!  Like many of the posters before me have stated, there are obvious pros and cons to living for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.  I won&#8217;t re-state them, but I&#8217;d like to add a few more.</p>
<p>Firstly, the medical technologies that enable this extended life-span will likely be expensive at first.  This will lead to a technology gap between those who can afford the &#8220;rejuvenation services&#8221;, and those who cannot (as mentioned by an earlier poster). Here&#8217;s the rub, though: With the wealthy able to live longer, they&#8217;ll have to work longer (indefinitely in some cases) to support themselves.  This will further stratify economies and resources.</p>
<p>In the long-run, these rejuvenation services won&#8217;t ever be able to account for or prevent traumatic causes of death.  How will we insure health and life policies if there is a 100% chance that everyone will die of completely random accidents (or via murder or suicide), making it near impossible to use actuarial distributions?  </p>
<p>Finally, and a bit more abstractly, what if there are biological &#8220;states&#8221; that the SENS theory does or can not account for?  Complex systems, such as reproductive lifeforms, tend to be ergodic&#8230;but some of the possible, but very improbable, states are unknowable with small (or short time-frame) samples.  In other words, there may be ways for cells to &#8220;age&#8221; or &#8220;die&#8221; that are only knowable in ultra-extreme lifespan scenarios. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if, despite the best efforts of lifespan researchers, life eventually finds a way to extinguish itself and return our natural resources (the atoms of which we are composed) to the larger ecosystem of the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Hsu</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Hsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were given the chance to live let&#039;s say 200 more years, I would have to decline. There are a few problems around: personal feelings and population. I would rather live with my friends and families then watch them die one by one until they&#039;re all no longer living. This may change my mind if this immorality is offered to anyone from poor to rich. If this was the case, I would able to enjoy my life together with them and die together. However, medicine that improve human life or lifestyle tend to be expensive and only the rich can afford it.
 
Another problem is population. Our world is being overpopulation by people and is slowly on the brink that it cannot sustain the people currently living. If this immorality was given, our resources around the world will limited and people would fight another one to control that particular resource like precious metals, oil and such.

As you can see, there are problems dealing with extending our lives. Personal feelings can conflict with the ideal of the concept. Overpopulation is something that needs to be solve not worsen. However, I do agree there are some potential benefits from living longer but I do not see it at the moment. Living longer may seem like a good idea at first but is it worth it to lose your friends and families and having your future generations to live in an overpopulated world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were given the chance to live let&#8217;s say 200 more years, I would have to decline. There are a few problems around: personal feelings and population. I would rather live with my friends and families then watch them die one by one until they&#8217;re all no longer living. This may change my mind if this immorality is offered to anyone from poor to rich. If this was the case, I would able to enjoy my life together with them and die together. However, medicine that improve human life or lifestyle tend to be expensive and only the rich can afford it.</p>
<p>Another problem is population. Our world is being overpopulation by people and is slowly on the brink that it cannot sustain the people currently living. If this immorality was given, our resources around the world will limited and people would fight another one to control that particular resource like precious metals, oil and such.</p>
<p>As you can see, there are problems dealing with extending our lives. Personal feelings can conflict with the ideal of the concept. Overpopulation is something that needs to be solve not worsen. However, I do agree there are some potential benefits from living longer but I do not see it at the moment. Living longer may seem like a good idea at first but is it worth it to lose your friends and families and having your future generations to live in an overpopulated world?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were given the choice to live as long as I wanted, than I would take how ever many years I could have. With age comes great knowledge, and I&#039;d like to think that I could help people with what I know.  If I had even just 100 years, than I would learn as much as I could. Other people though, might be different about choosing whether or not they want to live as long. I can see the desire of not having such a long life; it could get very boring. Maybe the age that we have now is good enough. But if I was to decide for myself, I would not think twice in choosing between living longer or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were given the choice to live as long as I wanted, than I would take how ever many years I could have. With age comes great knowledge, and I&#8217;d like to think that I could help people with what I know.  If I had even just 100 years, than I would learn as much as I could. Other people though, might be different about choosing whether or not they want to live as long. I can see the desire of not having such a long life; it could get very boring. Maybe the age that we have now is good enough. But if I was to decide for myself, I would not think twice in choosing between living longer or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chu</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 02:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main arguments against living longer seems to be overpopulation. Well what these people seem to forget is that living longer also means that you have a longer working period (or so I am assuming) With more people working longer hours there should be no problem with people supporting the larger elderly population or fixing up overpopulation problems. This would help solve problems for countries like Japan and India  which are nearing a age demographic problem. 

Another argument I hear of a lot is that life is a gift and if we live for too long we&#039;ll start wasting our lives away. Lets all be honest with ourselves, how often how we layed awake in life and thought about how short life is and how much we had more time. And I don&#039;t know about the rest of you but thats never occurred in my mind. The only people that could talk like their life is measured in days would be those dying of serious disease, and I&#039;m sure they would all tell you they wish they could live longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main arguments against living longer seems to be overpopulation. Well what these people seem to forget is that living longer also means that you have a longer working period (or so I am assuming) With more people working longer hours there should be no problem with people supporting the larger elderly population or fixing up overpopulation problems. This would help solve problems for countries like Japan and India  which are nearing a age demographic problem. </p>
<p>Another argument I hear of a lot is that life is a gift and if we live for too long we&#8217;ll start wasting our lives away. Lets all be honest with ourselves, how often how we layed awake in life and thought about how short life is and how much we had more time. And I don&#8217;t know about the rest of you but thats never occurred in my mind. The only people that could talk like their life is measured in days would be those dying of serious disease, and I&#8217;m sure they would all tell you they wish they could live longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Nguyen</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like some others, I am kinda conflicted whether or not scientists should find the cure. It&#039;s a good thing for those who are curious about the future and those who want to see it. It does seem very cool and who doesn&#039;t want to live forever? 
But when you think about it, is it that good of an idea? If everyone was too live to 200, the world would be more overpopulated then it already is. For those religious people, God made us to live a certain amount of time, so why break that? 
So I guess I&#039;m voting for not finding the cure. You should just live everyday as if it was your last. Live your life to the fullest so when you&#039;re at the end of the road, you won&#039;t have any regrets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like some others, I am kinda conflicted whether or not scientists should find the cure. It&#8217;s a good thing for those who are curious about the future and those who want to see it. It does seem very cool and who doesn&#8217;t want to live forever?<br />
But when you think about it, is it that good of an idea? If everyone was too live to 200, the world would be more overpopulated then it already is. For those religious people, God made us to live a certain amount of time, so why break that?<br />
So I guess I&#8217;m voting for not finding the cure. You should just live everyday as if it was your last. Live your life to the fullest so when you&#8217;re at the end of the road, you won&#8217;t have any regrets.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Lehman</title>
		<link>https://longforthisworld.com/2010/06/what-do-you-say/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now there is what is called a &quot;generation gap,&quot; which in short is just the changes from the old generation to the new generation. If we were to live longer, this gap would also increase. The reason that I bring this up is because a lot of times in politics, this gap is overlooked and only policies that benefit the older generation are put through. And the younger generation&#039;s voice is often overlooked because the older generation thinks that they know a bit more the the younger. So i n short, I am against having humans expand their lifespan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now there is what is called a &#8220;generation gap,&#8221; which in short is just the changes from the old generation to the new generation. If we were to live longer, this gap would also increase. The reason that I bring this up is because a lot of times in politics, this gap is overlooked and only policies that benefit the older generation are put through. And the younger generation&#8217;s voice is often overlooked because the older generation thinks that they know a bit more the the younger. So i n short, I am against having humans expand their lifespan.</p>
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